Could You Lose on Purpose? Investing Luck vs. Skill (2024)

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Published Jan 2, 2024

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I have some “go-to” thought experiments I pull out when speaking to portfolio managers and analysts. One is from the “Success Equation” by Michael Mauboussin where he asks the question, “Could you purposefully lose money investing in stocks?” (Read more about our Book Club with Mauboussin here).

Mauboussin suggests that stock investing is more akin to a game of luck, like roulette or craps, rather than a game of skill, like chess or basketball. This analogy raises an important question: Is investing more skill or luck?

The average batting average for long positions (percentage of investments that go up more than the market) of Alpha Theory managers over the past 11 years is 51%. This is better than random, but not by much. Said another way, you could possibly lose on purpose in aggregate, but you couldn’t on any individual bet.

Interestingly, there is a place where we can find more skill. If we look at all the long positions with forecasted positive returns, the batting average soars to 58%. This basically means eliminating all of the positions where the manager didn’t take the time to come up with price targets or where the expected return forecast has turned negative.

The data suggests there is real forecasting skill. This means that investing is not luck, like roulette. But it is not like chess either. It is a profession with a large dose of skill and luck, like poker.

In poker, the high-skilled player will almost certainly beat the low-skilled player if playing 1000s of hands. If playing 10s of hands, the low-skilled player can beat the high-skilled player. By contrast, the high-skilled chess player will win almost every game (if not every game).

What does this mean to you as an investor? Let your skill manifest itself by building an environment where you can be like the high-skilled poker player who gets to play 100s or 1000s of hands (investments) over a long period of time. Protect downside. Isolate skill by neutralizing non-skill factors (market and factor exposures). Try and find LPs that will stick with you long enough to let your skill overcome luck. And, if you can, get a little lucky. 😊

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Jason Wilburn

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It depends. Are you investing (skill) in great companies or playing the (luck) short game. The market will do what it’s always done. Grow

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Stan Altshuller

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I’ve always loved that analogy from Michael. We leaned on it a lot at Novus. His other analogy is great in a portfolio context too - a high scoring game (basketball) vs a low scoring game (hockey) is akin to a concentrated vs diversified portfolio. As luck can affect any one outcome, more “at bats” will tend toward skill driven and fewer at bats will be more luck driven

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Could You Lose on Purpose? Investing Luck vs. Skill (2024)

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Could You Lose on Purpose? Investing Luck vs. Skill? ›

Said another way, you could possibly lose on purpose in aggregate, but you couldn't on any individual bet. Interestingly, there is a place where we can find more skill. If we look at all the long positions with forecasted positive returns, the batting average soars to 58%.

Is investing a game of luck or skill? ›

There is an element of luck at play in the stock market. Of course, skill and hard work will play a part in your success, but other factors such as timing and luck also play a part in a stock's performance. For instance, there are times when stocks go on streaks and outperform themselves.

Does investing require luck? ›

For some, it can be easy to fall into a pattern of chasing that gratifying feeling and rolling the dice on your stock trading. But data shows that luck does not pay off over time, especially in the investing world.

What is the role of luck vs skill in making profitable investments? ›

While luck may play a part in short-term gains, relying on it alone is unwise. Developing and honing investing skills through education, experience, and continuous learning is the key to achieving long-term financial success and navigating the unpredictable nature of the market.

Is it possible to lose more than you invest? ›

The short answer is yes, you can lose more than you invest in stocks. However, it depends on the type of account you have and the trading you do. Although you cannot lose more than you invest with a cash account, you can potentially lose more than you invest with a margin account.

Is skill or luck more important? ›

The paradox of skill — In fields where skill is more important to the outcome, luck's role in determining the ultimate outcome increases. While in fields where luck plays a larger role in the outcome, skill is also very important but difficult to ascertain without a large enough sample set.

Why skill is better than luck? ›

Coming back to the question of Luck and Skill, I would say the decisions could be based on skill, but results are always based on luck. And your skills also depend on how lucky you are. Skill is the choice you make, the decisions you take in those circ*mstances, the preparedness you have to manage the risk side of it.

Are successful traders just lucky? ›

In fact, you better not buy a lottery ticket after your trading has been profitable. Being successful as a trader does not mean you are lucky. Instead, trading is all about dedication, consistency, and mastery. If you are a successful trader, you have for sure used the 3 keys described below.

Is stock picking just luck? ›

According to Kahneman, luck may be the dominant influence that decides how well a company, or a CEO or fund manager, performs year to year. But people don't want to believe luck is so pervasive. That gives rise to what Kahneman calls the “illusion of stock- picking skill.”

What are the golden rules of investing? ›

Before you invest, take time to do some research of your own – and never invest in a rush or in anything you don't fully understand. Some investments are professionally managed and can help you to align your long-term investment goals.

What is the most common winning investment strategy? ›

Investment Strategy #1: Value Investing

They buy stocks that appear to be trading for less than what they're really worth. They're willing to bet that these stocks are being underestimated by the stock market and will bounce back over the long run. As those stocks grow in value, they turn a profit for the investor.

Is trading a skill or gambling? ›

Making some trades to appease social forces is not gambling in and of itself if people actually know what they are doing. However, entering into a financial transaction without a solid investment understanding is gambling. Such people lack the knowledge to exert control over the profitability of their choices.

Why investing is better than gambling? ›

Gamblers have fewer ways to mitigate losses than investors do. Investors have more sources of relevant information than gamblers do. Over time, the odds will be in your favor as an investor and not in your favor as a gambler.

Do 90% of investors lose money? ›

Here's a preview of what you'll learn:

Staggering data reveals 90% of retail investors underperform the broader market. Lack of patience and undisciplined trading behaviors cause most losses. Insufficient market knowledge and overconfidence lead to costly mistakes.

Has a stock ever come back from 0? ›

A drop in price to zero means the investor loses his or her entire investment: a return of -100%. To summarize, yes, a stock can lose its entire value. However, depending on the investor's position, the drop to worthlessness can be either good (short positions) or bad (long positions).

What is the biggest investment loss ever? ›

List of largest losses of wealth
LossLosee
1$200 billionElon Musk
2$80 billionJeff Bezos
3$78 billionMark Zuckerberg
4$60 billionGautam Adani
1 more row

Is investing considered a skill? ›

Therefore, investing is a skill that people not working in the finance industry should learn.

Is investing glorified gambling? ›

Still, the stock market is not entirely comparable to a casino. Indeed, with gambling, it is the case that you cannot predict it at all, nor explain it afterwards. With financial markets, the outcome is also uncertain, but can often be explained afterwards.

Is trading stocks all luck? ›

While luck may play a role in short-term trading outcomes, consistent success in trading requires skill, knowledge, and experience. Traders need to have a clear strategy and a risk management plan in place to minimize losses and maximize profits.

Is trading a game of skill? ›

Day Trading is a skill. There are many professionals who earn high income day trading. Most retail traders lack the knowledge and skills to day trade.

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