Godechaud·1/9/2014in Archived Forum Posts
This is a question that has been going threw my mind for a while now.
We know that a true Alpha does not need to inherite or steal the Alpha status, it's his character that makes him who he is. To stay an Alpha, he mustn't kill. A kill would automatically result in a loss of his powers.
If we continue that thought, this implies that Scott can only grow a pack with werewolves who want to join his pack. He cannot bite anyone, since there's always a chance that the bite will kill them.
In my opinion that is a disadvantage to a regular Alpha.
Furthemore we do not know if the traditional "werewolf rules" apply to a true Alpha. Does he need a pack to become more powerful? Or is his power more or less limitless when needed (Scott was able to break the mountain ash barrier...)
A lot of questions were raised with this new kind of Alpha and I seriously hope this questions will be answered during season 3b.
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Coolrevi·1/9/2014
Godechaud wrote:
I don't agree, because after braking the mountain ash barrier, Scott said something like stop it, or I will kill you, even if does change the color of my eyes. From what I've understodd, a true Alpha mustn't kill or he won't be an alpha anymore
As stated in the episode its only the colour of the eyes which happens to every wolf alpha or not. SO clearly not the status. I disagree here
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Paul.rea·1/9/2014
While interesting, this is a bit moot.
Scott doesn't actually know what it means to be a "True Alpha" so his comment was more bravado than insightful.
It was pretty clear that Deucalion wanted to corrupt a "True Alpha" and was also afraid of what the status meant. But, unfortunately, he never came right out and said what was what.
The only person who's showed that they have an understanding of the status is Deaton and, if past is preface, it could be three more seasons before he spills those details.
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BoricuaWolf·1/9/2014
Godechaud wrote:
I don't agree, because after braking the mountain ash barrier, Scott said something like stop it, or I will kill you, even if does change the color of my eyes. From what I've understodd, a true Alpha mustn't kill or he won't be an alpha anymore
They definitely have not addressed this. The not killing thing was about BECOMING a True Alpha. We don't know whether killing now would affect his status or not. The eye color comments by Scott & Deuc was regarding having Blue Eyes (down the line were eitherof themever to lose his Alpha status), not Scott losing his status BY killing her. Think about it Scott did not Kill Jennifer because he wanted to become a True Alpha. If he were willing to forfeit that immediately after becoming one (within less than 5 min) then he would have just killed her in the first place when Deuc wanted him to. We don't know if killing would have an affect on him now as a True Alpha or not, but nothing has implied thatit would.
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Godechaud·1/9/2014
I don't agree, Scott hasn't killed anyone so far, i don't think that it's because he wanted to become a true alpha. But let's stop there, since we don't know.
Regarding the eye color, Alphas have read eyes, they don't change color when they killINNOCENT people. Innocent is key here. Since Jennifer was everything but innocent, no risk of getting blue eyes... which puts me back to my original argument...
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Coolrevi·1/9/2014
BoricuaWolf wrote:
Godechaud wrote:
I don't agree, because after braking the mountain ash barrier, Scott said something like stop it, or I will kill you, even if does change the color of my eyes. From what I've understodd, a true Alpha mustn't kill or he won't be an alpha anymore
They definitely have not addressed this. The not killing thing was about BECOMING a True Alpha. We don't know whether killing now would affect his status or not. The eye color comments by Scott & Deuc was regarding having Blue Eyes (down the line were eitherof themever to lose his Alpha status), not Scott losing his status BY killing her. Think about it Scott did not Kill Jennifer because he wanted to become a True Alpha. If he were willing to forfeit that immediately after becoming one (within less than 5 min) then he would have just killed her in the first place when Deuc wanted him to. We don't know if killing would have an affect on him now as a True Alpha or not, but nothing has implied thatit would.
Here again i tend to disagree here that scotts never been a guy who solves a problem by killing someone. He always tried for an alternative and he always got it right. in season 1 He wanted to kill peter only because he was told by derek that killing his alpha would make him human again.
secondly Gerard by feeding him mountain ash, Jackson to make him an wolf instead, so he is not a guy who kills. Simple
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Paul.rea·1/9/2014
Like I said - we need to tie Deaton up and torture him until he spills EVERYTHING he knows. Seriously - his Yoda convoluted half answers and non-answers are killing me.
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BoricuaWolf·1/9/2014
Godechaud wrote:
I don't agree, Scott hasn't killed anyone so far, i don't think that it's because he wanted to become a true alpha. But let's stop there, since we don't know.
Regarding the eye color, Alphas have read eyes, they don't change color when they killINNOCENT people. Innocent is key here. Since Jennifer was everything but innocent, no risk of getting blue eyes... which puts me back to my original argument...
I still dissagree. If what you were saying was true, then why did he say that he WOULD kill her after becoming a True Alpha. He's definitely proven he's anti killing. No argument there.But by him saying that he'd 'kill her [him]self' if she didn't stop the storm (his words) then this proves he WOULD kill to save his mother. Deucalion explained to him prior to that theif he killed Jennifer the storm would stop and hewould save his mother. But he refused.So what changed besides him becoming a True Alpha?
As for the person having to be innocent. That's true, but the writers have never explained what exactly constitutes innocent.
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Godechaud·1/9/2014
I see your point. I'll alter my previous statement to this: Scott will kill only as a last resort. You have to admit, out of all the werewolves, his the only one who's always trying to find a peaceful solution first.
The reason why he didn't kill Jennifer straight away is unknown... We can only speculate. I will say this, had he killed her, he would have been a beta and Deucalion was as much as a threat as her... Plus he was being forced by Deucalion to kill her... I also have to agree with you on the fact that we actually don't know the TW definition of an innocent person, but it's safe to say that Jennifer wasn't. BUT, Deucalion was more or less out at that time, and Scott had just become an alpha and Jennifer had seen how strong he was and acknowledged him as a serious threat... Since we have no real facts to continue arguing, let's leave this discussion unfinished.
But I still firmly believe that a true Alpha can't kill: Deaton said it, Morell said it etc. It was never said to become a true Alpha you can't kill, it was said a true Alpha loses his powers if he kills.
@ Paul: Yeah let's hunt Deaton down and beat the truth out of him;-)
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BoricuaWolf·1/9/2014
Godechaud wrote:
I see your point. I'll alter my previous statement to this: Scott will kill only as a last resort. You have to admit, out of all the werewolves, his the only one who's always trying to find a peaceful solution first.
The reason why he didn't kill Jennifer straight away is unknown... We can only speculate. I will say this, had he killed her, he would have been a beta and Deucalion was as much as a threat as her... Plus he was being forced by Deucalion to kill her... I also have to agree with you on the fact that we actually don't know the TW definition of an innocent person, but it's safe to say that Jennifer wasn't. BUT, Deucalion was more or less out at that time, and Scott had just become an alpha and Jennifer had seen how strong he was and acknowledged him as a serious threat... Since we have no real facts to continue arguing, let's leave this discussion unfinished.
But I still firmly believe that a true Alpha can't kill: Deaton said it, Morell said it etc. It was never said to become a true Alpha you can't kill, it was said a true Alpha loses his powers if he kills.
@ Paul: Yeah let's hunt Deaton down and beat the truth out of him;-)
Absolutely. I think we’re both in agreement about the peaceful solution part. I’m not saying that he CAN kill now. I’m just saying that I think they haven’t said one way or the other. If I’m not mistaken when Morell was talking to Scott about being a True Alpha I thought she said that he wouldn’t BECOME one if he killed, so maybe I’m just remembering it wrong. I can’t look at it again until I go home from work. And I didn’t remember Deaton mentioning that aspect of it at all. You might be right that they implied it and I missed that part. However I am SURE that they did not phrase it as “a true Alpha loses his powers if he kills.” I know they didn’t come right out and say that.
Paul, maybe you could help enlighten me if you’re in a position to be able to watch episodes or look at dialogue. If not I’ll just take a look later tonight.
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A Fandom user·2/28/2019
Coolrevi wrote:The thing that i got from last episode of season 3A was that duc wanted scott to kill her when he was not an alpha, but when he crossed the mountain ash he was already an alpha and duc killed her himless. if Scott could lose his True alpha status by killing someone after being an alpha, duc would have made scott to kill her as per the plan.Actually I’ve seen all the seasons if he kills he reverts back to normal alpha or blue eyes
So kill or no kill i dont think he would lose his status, scott is a kind of person who solves a problem which does not include killing.
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