VOO vs 3 fund portfolio (2024)

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I am looking at the 3 fund portfolio, Total Market, Total International and Total Bond, and comparing it to S&P 500 index. If I have a 10 year or more horizon, why wouldn’t I just put everything in VOO vanguard S&P 500 index? It seems over 10 years, I would likely beat the three fund portfolio handily without ever having to rebalance or even look at it. What am I missing?

Part 2: My 12 year old has $15000 and I am thinking of the same scenario…just park it in an S&P 500 index fund and forget it.

I am new to all of this and am reading Bogleheads guide to investing. Thanks for any insights.

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Ccham36 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:26 amI am looking at the 3 fund portfolio, Total Market, Total International and Total Bond, and comparing it to S&P 500 index. If I have a 10 year or more horizon, why wouldn’t I just put everything in VOO vanguard S&P 500 index? It seems over 10 years, I would likely beat the three fund portfolio handily without ever having to rebalance or even look at it. What am I missing?

Part 2: My 12 year old has $15000 and I am thinking of the same scenario…just park it in an S&P 500 index fund and forget it.

I am new to all of this and am reading Bogleheads guide to investing. Thanks for any insights.

Welcome to the forum.

The rationale for using the 3-fund portfolio is diversification.

Just because the S&P 500 has out-performed a 3-fund balanced portfolio (recently) doesn't mean that will always be true. There have been times in the last 50 years where International stocks (or US Bonds) performed better than US stocks. By holding all 3 major asset classes (US stock / International stock / Bonds), you're better prepared for any market environment.

This is especially true for a 12 year old, who might be an investor for another 80 years. VOO vs 3 fund portfolio (2) Do you really want to bet that US stocks will be better than every other investment over that long a time span?

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Ccham36 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:26 am It seems over 10 years, I would likely beat the three fund portfolio handily without ever having to rebalance or even look at it. What am I missing?

It could. it would have over the past 10 years.

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/bac ... mCUGupzfuw

It would NOT have from 2000-2009.

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/bac ... 4k4o3i1eVg

So it depends which 10 years we get each time and nobody knows.

If this is money for a 15 year old to use when they are 65, can you honestly say you can predict S&P500 continues to beat international through 2073?

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Ccham36 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:26 amI am looking at the 3 fund portfolio, Total Market, Total International and Total Bond, and comparing it to S&P 500 index. If I have a 10 year or more horizon, why wouldn’t I just put everything in VOO vanguard S&P 500 index? It seems over 10 years, I would likely beat the three fund portfolio handily without ever having to rebalance or even look at it. What am I missing?

I think it can be perfectly reasonable to hold only the S&P 500 but the reason is NOT because you would likely beat the three fund. The reason is that your plan would meet your objectives. I doubt your real objective is to beat some hypothetical alternate portfolio.

The next step for you would presumably be to specify what you want and then see if the likely results of owning only VOO forever, or only for ten years if that is all you are thinking about, are a good fit for that or possibly that some other choice is a better fit.

It is true that if you were to force me to decide which to hold for the most wealth acquired in the next ten years I would invest in VOO rather than in any other* version of the three fund concept, though I would not want anything really important riding on the bet.

*Mathematically VOO alone is a three fund portfolio with international and fixed income allocation set to zero and equating VOO and total stock for all practical purposes.

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Welcome to the forum.

100% stocks makes sense for some, but not so much for others. One way to look at this is to ask:
1. Do you need the (likely but not guaranteed) greater returns from 100% stock?
2. How bad would your situation be if your portfolio lost (say) 40-50% of its value a year before withdrawal time?
3. Can you emotionally handle the expected roller coaster ride of 100% stocks (eg, sleep well when (2) happens, not panic and sell like many people here have done in 2008, 2020, and 2022)?

Conventional wisdom would say 100% stock for money needed in 10 years is risky for the not-very-wealthy individual (if you will have way more money than you need, then it might be okay). For a teenager who won’t need the money for several decades, and for whom it will be a trivial part of their future portfolio, it’s fine.

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Ccham36 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:26 amI am looking at the 3 fund portfolio, Total Market, Total International and Total Bond, and comparing it to S&P 500 index. If I have a 10 year or more horizon, why wouldn’t I just put everything in VOO vanguard S&P 500 index? It seems over 10 years, I would likely beat the three fund portfolio handily without ever having to rebalance or even look at it. What am I missing?

Part 2: My 12 year old has $15000 and I am thinking of the same scenario…just park it in an S&P 500 index fund and forget it.

I am new to all of this and am reading Bogleheads guide to investing. Thanks for any insights.

Welcome to the forum. I'd recommend finishing the book The Bogleheads Guide to Investing and then see if you still have this question.

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Before one holds a portfolio of 100% equities (or just too much equities), s/he might wish to read the post by Sheepdog from Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:09 pm.
viewtopic.php?p=297409#p297409

Age<59.5. Early-retired. AA ~55/45. Taxable account, Roth IRA, HSA...all are 100% equities. 100% of fixed income is in tIRA. I spend from taxable and rebalance in tIRA.

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VOO vs 3 fund portfolio (2024)

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Is a 3 fund portfolio enough? ›

A three-fund portfolio could be all you need to reach your long-term investment goals. While diversification with more funds can be tempting, there's often overlap when comparing large mutual funds and exchange-traded funds (ETFs). Here's a look at a few approaches you can take to create a three-fund portfolio.

What is the difference between 3 fund portfolio and S&P 500? ›

A 3 fund portfolio is an asset allocation mix comprising three asset classes, domestic stocks, international stocks, and domestic bonds. Standard & Poor's 500 is a market index that tracks the market value and performance of the top 500 US large-cap stocks.

Should I invest in VOO or VTSAX? ›

Deciding between VTSAX or VOO comes down to broader U.S. market exposure vs. large-cap-only U.S. stocks. Also, mutual fund vs ETF. If you have a long-term investment horizon (more than five years) and want broader market exposure for diversification, buy VTSAX.

Is it good to have both VOO and VTI? ›

Here's a summary of which one to choose:

If you want to own only the biggest and safest stocks, choose VOO. If you want more diversification and exposure to mid-caps and small-caps, choose VTI. If you can't decide, consider simply buying both of them (assuming that commissions are low or free).

What are the disadvantages of a 3 fund portfolio? ›

Cons of a Three-Fund Portfolio

Rebalancing. A three-fund portfolio is not set-it-and-forget-it. You will still need to pay attention to your overall allocation and rebalance when necessary to stay aligned with your investment goals. No room for alternatives.

What is the Lazy 3 fund portfolio? ›

Three-fund lazy portfolios

These usually consist of three equal parts of bonds (total bond market or TIPS), total US market and total international market.

What is the average return of a three fund portfolio? ›

The Bogleheads Three Funds Portfolio is a Very High Risk portfolio and can be implemented with 3 ETFs. It's exposed for 80% on the Stock Market. In the last 30 Years, the Bogleheads Three Funds Portfolio obtained a 8.00% compound annual return, with a 12.37% standard deviation.

What is the 3 fund rule? ›

A three-fund portfolio is based on the fundamental asset classes, stocks and bonds. It is assumed that cash is not counted within the investment portfolio, so it is not included. On the other hand, it is assumed that every investor should hold both domestic and international stocks.

What is a lazy portfolio? ›

A Lazy Portfolio is a collection of investments that requires very little maintenance. It's the typical passive investing strategy, for long-term investors, with time horizons of more than 10 years. Choose your investment style (Classic or Alternative?), pick your Lazy Portfolios and implement them with ETFs.

Is it wise to invest in VOO? ›

Vanguard S&P 500 ETF holds a Zacks ETF Rank of 2 (Buy), which is based on expected asset class return, expense ratio, and momentum, among other factors. Because of this, VOO is a great option for investors seeking exposure to the Style Box - Large Cap Blend segment of the market.

Why choose VFIAX over VOO? ›

VFIAX has a 0.04% expense ratio, which is higher than VOO's 0.03% expense ratio. However, both funds are considered low-cost compared to the broader market, where average expense ratios usually range from 0.3% to 0.9%.

What mutual fund is comparable to VOO? ›

VOO and VFIAX are nearly identical in every way. For example, they have the same AUM because they are two share classes of the same fund. VOO's expense ratio is also slightly lower at 0.03% while VFIAX is at 0.04%.

Why is VTI better than VOO? ›

VTI offers more comprehensive market coverage, including small and mid-cap stocks, while VOO focuses on the large-cap stocks of the S&P 500. This diversification can help mitigate risk in an investment portfolio.

Why would you choose Vtsax over VTI? ›

VTI vs VTSAX: Who Should Invest

Therefore, investors who just want to buy and hold a total stock market index may be happy with VTSAX. Investors who want more trading flexibility may choose VTI.

How many funds make an ideal portfolio? ›

While there is no precise answer for the number of funds one should hold in a portfolio, 8 funds (+/-2) across asset classes may be considered optimal depending on the financial objectives and goals of the investor. Further, higher allocation of portfolio to the right fund is of crucial importance.

What is the average return of a three-fund portfolio? ›

The Bogleheads Three Funds Portfolio is a Very High Risk portfolio and can be implemented with 3 ETFs. It's exposed for 80% on the Stock Market. In the last 30 Years, the Bogleheads Three Funds Portfolio obtained a 8.00% compound annual return, with a 12.37% standard deviation.

How many funds do I need in my portfolio? ›

You should therefore only keep as many funds in your portfolio as you're comfortable monitoring. For example, if you hold 10 or 20 different funds, you'll need to keep a close eye on the changing value of all these investments to make sure your asset allocation still matches your investment goals.

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